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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to this special mini

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edition of the skeptic zone

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Heidi Robertson here with a report

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covering the preview screening of the

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documentary vitae mania here in the

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heart of auntie VAX land Mullen bimby

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New South Wales later on I'll be telling

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you how you can see this documentary if

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you are in Australia or online in other

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parts of the world I'll also be

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reporting a screening of the anti-vaxxer

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fishel virgins which was screening at

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the same location don't worry you'll

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still be getting your regular skeptic

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zone in just a couple of days but now

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it's time for me to channel Richard

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Saunders run to the kitchen make myself

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a big salad that has all of the vitamins

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in it come back and bring you my report

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it's the raw skeptic reporting with

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Heidi Robertson well something a bit

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different tonight I am currently in my

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car and I'm parked outside the

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Mullumbimby Civic Hall and I'm waiting

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to go in to see Vitae mania a screening

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of the documentary vitae mania which is

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done by Sonia Pemberton and listeners

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might remember Sonia Pemberton from

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speaking at skeptic on last year in

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Sydney but she also did a documentary

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called jabbed which was very successful

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and masterfully done if you haven't yet

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seen jabbed make it something that you

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must do very soon it's very good anyway

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so Sonia Pemberton is here in Mullen

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bimby tonight to host a Q&A session

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after the screening of the documentary

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vitae mania and I'm just on the website

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having a little look because I don't

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know how lot about this documentary so

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from the website and I quote almost 1

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billion of us take a regular dietary

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supplement mainly vitamin tablets

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vitamins are enthusiastically endorsed

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by celebrities and vitamin fortified

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foods line our supermarket shelves but

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how safe are these products is it true

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that vitamins are natural and therefore

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can't do you any harm

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how are they regulated and how can

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parents make the right choices for their

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children's health

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these surprisingly urgent questions are

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investigated by scientists dr. Derek

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Muller invite amania the latest

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documentary made by Emmy Award winning

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productions so I'm looking forward to

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seeing this documentary and I'll report

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back on it later but in the meantime

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thought I'd also mentioned the fact that

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something else is happening at the same

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venue the Mullumbimby Civic Hall

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tomorrow night and that is a screening

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of another documentary that you may have

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heard of called sacrificial virgins this

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is a anti-vaccination documentary all

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about the HPV vaccine which as you may

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know the HPV vaccine has been wildly

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successful and may in fact eradicate

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cancers from the HPV virus altogether

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it's been a phenomenal success so far

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but the anti-vaccination crowd don't

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like it they've made a documentary out

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of it and the Australian vaccination

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risks Network formerly known as the

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Australian vaccination skeptics network

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is hosting a tour of sacrificial virgins

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and as part of a tour Mullumbimby has

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the dubious honour of hosting it at the

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Mullen B&B Civic Hall now the MOA memba

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Civic Hall also hosted VAX the Andrew

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Wakefield documentary last year as well

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as David avocado Wolfe the health and

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wellness anti vaccination guru and the

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reason that some people including myself

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Civic Hall is for the community in

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council it has a committee which is

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on the committee as well as another

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counselor and we at the time that VAX

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approached the council and the media and

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appropriate to let this documentary be

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aired and they came back with the whole

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free speech issue and they've done the

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same this time a number of us have

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reported this this event to councillors

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and even the Minister for local

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governments and we're not getting

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anywhere so far we've only got about 24

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hours to go and the thing is it's look

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speech it's it's like vac stores it is

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sacrificial virgins is freely available

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on the internet they're essentially

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discharging people to come in and and

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watch it and then have a Q&A session

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also an hiv/aids denier and Joan shanton

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is her name and she has recently been

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Australia that's not strictly true from

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what I understand she applied for a

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tourist visa to come and promote this

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sacrificial virgins documentary here the

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Australian government was not satisfied

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that she was coming here as a tourist

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but might have been coming here for work

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in promoting the documentary so they

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refused her Aviva the AVN is not happy

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about that they still have her appearing

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Skype a Skype hookup she's definitely

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not having her free speech suppressed as

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I said it's also freely available on

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YouTube but what is concerning is that

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counsel is okay with this event

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being held in one of their facilities in

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the postcode with Australia's lowest

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vaccination rates Mullumbimby at the

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same time that a case of diphtheria was

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in a man that we haven't been told

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anything else just that he is recovering

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but diphtheria for goodness sakes

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something that should have been

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relegated to the history books along

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with smallpox and here it is a couple of

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years ago another case was in our region

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as well out in a casino so we've got a

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man diagnosed with diphtheria yesterday

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we've got Sonia Pemberton of the

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documentary jabbed who is promoting her

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new documentary tonight vitae mania and

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interestingly enough another documentary

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she did a few years ago was called

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catching cancer about different viruses

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that cause different cancers HPV anyone

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so how ironic is that

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tomorrow night we've got the avian

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hosting an anti vaccination documentary

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and these two things are at the

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Mullumbimby Civic Center run by our

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local council anyway that's enough

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jibber-jabber from me it's just almost

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who's who of who's going to turn out for

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this vital mania documentary in Mullen

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bimby tonight I've got no idea who I'm

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going to run into I'm here by myself so

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should be interesting and I shall report

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screening of Vital mania and I thought

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Sonya Pemberton in the Q&A session after

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the documentary screening was asked how

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documentary about vitamins she replied

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the documentary jabbed she noticed how

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many people were hesitant about the

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science of vaccination but those same

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people were totally accepting of the

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science behind vitamin supplementation

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she wanted to explore this further not

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only investigating why this was the case

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all justified the end result was a

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behind vitamins whether or not her

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question about the acceptance of certain

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science and the denial of other science

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afterward and she came back with one

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word tribalism and hopefully she'll be

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exploring this issue further in her

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future research so what can you expect

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raised were how much of a billion-dollar

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industry is the vitamin business our

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vitamins regulated for safety and

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efficacy prior to getting on our

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supermarket and pharmacy shelves what

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trial and how were vitamins involved

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vitamins in what countries and why

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of blindness all have in common and do

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I need vitamins it's about a three and a

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half year round trip I think and if they

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do need vitamins which once and why is

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the perception that taking vitamins is

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risk-free accurate can you overdose on

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novella from the skeptics guide to the

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universe was one person interviewed for

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the documentary humorous simply because

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anti-vaxxer and in the Civic Hall in

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Mullen bimby and there's one of the

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world's most well-known skeptics largers

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life on the screen never did I think I

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would see Stephen novella

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Peter Mullan bimby I also spotted Cara

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Santa Maria right at the end of the

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documentary vitae mania the documentary

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is well worth seeing if you're in

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Australia you can see it on SBS on the

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12th of August 2018 and you can watch it

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afterwards for a limited time on SBS on

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demand internationally it's being

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released on Monday the 13th of August if

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you visit vitae mania the movie calm for

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the online places you can see it and

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it'll also be available for purchase for

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about $4 it would make a wonderful gift

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for any friends or relatives who may be

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taking a plethora of vitamins without a

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so I also had something else happening

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after vitae mania and I do apologize

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well it's Thursday the 9th of August the

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city called to see vitae mania and

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tonight we're having the screening of

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sacrificial virgins the anti-vaccination

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documentary discrediting the HPV vaccine

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I've come down here just to see if the

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avian the Australian vaccination risks

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Network has put up their public health

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warning the healthcare Complaints

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are shut I can't see any signs up at the

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moment but it's still an hour and a half

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before the screening so who knows they

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might they might come by and put it up a

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little bit later anyway

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I wonder / - I'll wander over the road

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and see if I can get a closer look all

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Oh Devo

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that's t-shirt on unless they recognize

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there is an anti vaccination activist

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just got a boot full of paraphernalia so

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I did I'd really feel up to a

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confrontation really what we're all

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about at nids anyway I'm just walking in

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the opposite direction of you can't

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report house in the police station at

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she's gonna put this sign up

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well I approached the front entrance of

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the Civic Hall on my way back to the car

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and saw four signs up basically

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disclaimers from the Byron Shire Council

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and the Civic Hall which said that they

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don't endorse the opinions that are

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being screened as part of the

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documentary and they are not hosting the

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events and blah blah blah and I don't

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think that's good enough ratepayers

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attending a council run venue should be

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made aware that the documentary is being

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hosted by a group subject to a public

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health warning in my opinion the

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Australian vaccination risks Network

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should be required to display this

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warning not only on their published

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material as is currently advised by the

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H Triple C the healthcare Complaints

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Commission but at any venue that they

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attend to promote their anti vaccination

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agenda if you agree with this please

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send an email to the H Triple C at media

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at H Triple C dot New South Wales dot

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gov dot au it could also include a cc to

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the Minister for health there is also

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another update to the report I did a

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couple of weeks ago about our Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters poster

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that went viral our doctor rachel heap

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who wrote the poster is appearing on

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telly on sunday the 12th of august on

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weekend sunrise in australia I think

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around about 8:00 8:15 a.m. if we can

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get a recording of that we will pop it

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up on our Facebook page in the meantime

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thanks for listening this has been

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highly Robertson from the Northern

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Rivers vaccination supporters you can

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find us on Facebook at Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters our website and

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our VA info or on twitter at

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in our VAX supporters that's VIX and our

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